Lance Armstrong in the Dirty Duathlon
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The following was reported today on www.cyclingnews.com.
Many cyclists would give their right legs to race against four time Tour winner Lance Armstrong, despite the fact that they could be in for a sound beating. On Sunday, December 8 in Austin, Texas, any cyclist who can run a bit has a chance to race against Lance and several members of the US Postal team in the Dirty Duathlon.
The race will be held at Rocky Hill Ranch (about 40 miles east of Austin) and is the first of four races in a series. The course consists of a 3 mile off-road run followed by a spectacular 12 mile mountain bike course, finishing with another 3 mile run.
A portion of the proceeds from the Dirty Duathlon will benefit the Kelly Davidson Pediatric Cancer Foundation (www.kellysteam.org). All the event information as well as online registration can be found at www.dirtyduathlon.com.
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by Drago on November 21, 2002
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Will someone please fly out there and smoke Lance in this Duathlon so duathletes can get some modicum of respect?
I'd go but I have to move to a new domiscile that whole weekend.
Greg Watson, Travis Kuhl are you out there?
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by dumehard on November 21, 2002
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Lance and the Blue Postal Train should consider them lucky I can't get down to Austin that weekend and smoke 'em like a pack of Kools. I'd love to get a piece of Georgie's ass.
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by drghs on November 22, 2002
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Beating Lance in a duathlon will do nothing to enhance the reputation of duathletes. It is his off season, the bike is short and off-road and god only knows if he ever runs in training (I have never seen running training in any of the workout logs on his website.)
What is with the pathological insecurity? Part of being a multi-sport athlete of any kind, is knowing that the specialists probably think you aren't very good at their sport, and the multi- gets to feel that they are more well rounded? Do you think Dan O'Brien or Daley Thompson worried about that shot putters thought of them?
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by theblackness on November 22, 2002
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i don't think that was Drago's point--his point, if i use your analogy--was would the shot putters beat dan or daley in a dec.
the answer.....a resounding no! and would the shot putters be pissed if a decathlete was better than them--probably.
so, i think it would give a little more credibility to duathlon if duathletes won the duathlons--triathletes won the triathlons--cyclists won the road races--etc..etc..etc..
this could conceivably put the idea into one's head that top duathletes are just that, the best duathletes. not just the best of the athletes who aren't competing in the other disciplines. would that be good for duathlon in general....YES. i think duathlons tend to get the label that the best people aren't actually winning the races...the best athletes aren't racing (and it's been earned).
now, as for this race deciding that....i don't think so. but, i'd prefer it if a duathlete won this one. not a triathlete either....hahahah
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by Drago on November 22, 2002
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The Blackness,
Yes, my point exacly. Every time a triathlete wins the Duathlon World Championship, as was the case this year with Tim Don winning, it proves that Duathlon is a non-competitive sport. It shows that someone who spends roughly only 2/3 of their training on the run/bike, can beat all the full time run/bikers.
Most people outside duathlon believe that Lance could win Duathlon Worlds easily, as he is a far superior cyclist, and comes form a triathlon background.
Id just like to see a top Duathlete thump Lance in that race. The general public would be more impressed with that, than seeing Benny Vansteelant beat a bunch of other duathletes noone has ever heard of.
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by vtofwales on November 22, 2002
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All triathletes get on a start line and race benny v steel.I aint seen one triathlete smoke the run or bike like he can,if we went back to non drafting does anyone honestly believe they could beat him in a duathlon,thank f*** for you boys he aint ever learned to swim.
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by xxx on November 22, 2002
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Some Du pro go down there and kick some ass. That race also attracts some local tri and Xterra pros. Keep the win in the Du family and when you beat Lance, demand that he cough up a Yellow Jersey.
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Anonymous post on November 22, 2002
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When was the last time your hero Benny V. raced Conrad Stoltz or Craig Walton... can't remember? That's because they won't waste their time with silly duathlons. If Benny could swim, he wouldn't be a duathlete anymore... why would he? Even if he could, he might do well, but there is a lot more talent in triathlon. Duathlon is for triathlete wannabees that can't put together a front crawl. Wussies.
Oh yeah... Tim Don, duathlon world champ. Greg Bennet, second place. I bet they never go by the title "duathlete." I'm sure they are more proud of their third and fourth place finishes claimed at the triathlon world championships. And the triathletes that venture (I'm sure just for fun, or to steal some cash from the unexpecting duathletes) into duathlon succeed while continuing their swim training. Imagine if they could eliminate 10+ hours a week in the pool and focus just on running and biking.
Also, if duathletes couldn't brag about Benny, who else is their? And what's is there to brag about? I know mediocre age-group triathletes that can put together a 17:47 5k, in a triathlon or duathlon.
I have an idea... there should be a rule that triathletes can't do duathlons. That way the duathletes could win their own races.
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by norseman on November 22, 2002
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I just wanted to let everyone know that Matt Ertl will be reappearing at the 2003 Moores Creek Duathlon just outside Wilmington, North Carolina. Come race amongst the best in this pre-season great duathlon event, hosted by Set-Up Inc. Maybe you too can prove yourself as one of the top American Duathletes and beat him. Tyler Johnson stay away from this race!!!
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by ftofnoone on November 22, 2002
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What's the deal with all you hating each other?? Isn't the multisport world small enough as it is? and you're out trying to exclude everyone. SO what if a tri guy does some dus or vice versa. Geez, we should be supporting each other. Or better yet, supporting our own country (it doesn't have to be the US if you're foreign). I know pro tri and du guys, and they don't feel this way about each other. And they constantly go back and forth racing both formats. So just give the Triathlete/Duathlete bashing a rest.
And for the record, it is much easier for a pure triathlete to win a draft legal Du, than a non-drafting du. Just the nature of the beast.
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by xcguy on November 23, 2002
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Drago's call for Kuhl or Watson to whup up on Armstrong seems a little of the mark. Dirty Du is off-road. Currently the two top off-road triathletes in the US are Ned Overend and Tyler Johnson. I don't recall Kuhl or Watson ever doing any off-road events.
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by xxx on November 23, 2002
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who cares about which pro goes down, but just get 1 or more Du pros there to race...off road, on road, etc....it doesn't matter....and for the record, Lance rides on the too.
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by Kyledu on November 24, 2002
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Lance is the greatest cyclist today.
Q: Would he make a great duathlete?
A: Of Course.
Q: Would Paul McMullen or Kevin Sullivan make great duathletes?
A: In their off-season.
Although the top guys are very strong, there is little depth in the sport of duathlon.
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by ghostrider on November 24, 2002
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Your stupid message has done more to demote the reputation of Duathletes than anything Lance could do.
In case you didn't know, Lance is a former Sprint Distance National Champion.
You think you could take him ? IN YOUR DREAMS!
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by Kyledu on November 25, 2002
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I think that Lance Armstrong is one of the best athletes competing in one of the toughest sports in the world. He could be a world-class athlete in almost any sport he chose, including Duathlon.
The point that I was trying to make was that there are many athletes doing individual sports (running or cycling) that would also make very good duathletes. (That is not to say that Daniel Komen could bike a 56-minute 40k).
Duathlon is a very simple sport that allows athletic people from individual sports (running and cycling) to compete at a very high level.
Be thankful, the ease of adaptation of athletes into the sport is what makes the sport so cool (and allows for future growth of the sport).
The adaptability of people into Duathlon demonstrates the athleticism of the individuals in the sport but it also demonstrates the sports lack of depth.
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Anonymous post on November 25, 2002
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Do you actually believe what is put in Lance's online training is for real? Get real man!
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by SuperDuck on November 27, 2002
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I think you guys are missing the point. As an Austin area racer, we love to see Lance compete in local events, no matter what they are. He generated a lot of buzz for the Dirty Du, and it was nice to see Lance on a Mountain Bike. He had no entourage with him, just his bike in the back of his pickup like the rest of us weekend warriors.
Lance's participation certainly revved up my competitive juices, as it did for everyone I talked to. Lance seemed to enjoy the event (if he didn't, I doubt he would have come back), his fellow competitors enjoyed having him there, and I am sure the promoter doesn't mind a bit. I was very excited to see that he is racing again this year, and hope to see him run by me again (yes, he CAN run).
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by G-money on November 27, 2002
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I think you hit the nail on the head. Does anybody believe that Lance Armstrong really gives a crap about a weekend duathlon? I think he's probably doing it for fun and for his community. He's probably about as hyped-up for this event as Michael Jordan would be for a game of horse with his kids.
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by dorothyhughes on November 28, 2002
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Lance is racing the Du to promote the Kelly Davidson Pediatric Cancer Foundation. Remember her?.....I am sure he couldn't care less about his result.
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by theblackness on November 29, 2002
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that may be one of the reasons lance is racing, but another reason he is racing is to win. i guarantee you lance doesn't go into many races to 'have a good time'----although i'm sure he will/does.
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by adamsanz13 on December 1, 2002
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what is this world coming becoming? can we not all see that we are more worried about winning than being given yet another day to enjoy ourselves. ill be racing and hope to enjoy my first offroad duathalon(second du ever) so on that note good luck and safe travels along the way to all that are racing. peace all
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by bmgrosso on December 3, 2002
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each of you that are analyzing this thing to death should go chill out. There are a few things: 1. speculating this is moronic. 2. Lance would most certainly beat everyone that is adding to this thread. 3. Lance has more on his mind than trying to beat the local Austin duathlete or the arrival of Watson or Kuhl. Lance supports himself on an annual salary that could not be matched by combining all of the income "duathletes" have collectivley earned since the inception of biathlon...(that is women included!)
There is not a lot of interest or talent in this sport, as said below. We should all have a little group hug, as we are a tiny speck within endurance sport, let alone sport.
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Anonymous post on December 3, 2002
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One question...
If speculating on this is moronic, are you moronic?
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by austincyclist on December 4, 2002
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Its offroad, so all you tri-geeks may be 5 minutes ahead after the first run, but after the bike portion.. you'd be way the hell behind the likes of Floyd Landis, Jason Sager, Lance Armstrong etc. who have all raced mtnbike at a pro level (yes even Lance has). Its not just horsepower, its skill, and knowing how to negotiate baby head sized rocks, loose corners, sand, and perhaps mud. Most Du-tri-geeks I know, can only ride in a straight line.
I don't think Lance will win this one actually.. I know most pro-tri-du-whateverletes wouldn't either.
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by berkeel on December 5, 2002
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du/tri/on/off/adventure all I know is its fun, and they help me train harder. Every sport has their geeks=people who act as hapiness sumps. Endurance sports are no exception. I think everyone should ask themselves "Do I sound like a whiney B@#$& by saying this?" If so don't say it. BC the one thing were all not supposed to be is a bunch of whiners. Lance kicks ass doesn't mean youre a loser if he beats you. I am psyched to be ina race with him. Lets put some fun and sweat into it.
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by duathlon on December 8, 2002
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You can all end the speculating. Lance won the race, thanks to his running skills. Because of the Duathlon.com satellite positioned 23,000 miles directly above Austin, the results were posted on the front page of Duathlon.com within an hour of the race finish.
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by veryoldpro on January 7, 2003
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I have an old video tape, circa 1985 or so, of a Bud Light triathlon someplace in the south...It features Mark Allen running around 32 minutes for 10k to win and the rest of the "big 4" (Dave, Scott & Scott) getting waxed by a kid who couldn't swim but had the fastest bike and run of the day...that kid was Lance Armstrong.
Point is, the guy's a freak...given a bit of specific training, I have no doubt he could approach 31 minute shape and dispatch any top duathlete in the world. And I say this as a duathlete with a 52 minute 40k and a 30:15 10k pr under my belt...
Like it or not, multi-sport racing is the land of the not-quite-fast-enough for elite single sport racing.
(If it makes you feel any better, Lance also spanked cross specialist Adam Black in his cyclocross debut a couple of weeks ago.)
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