USA Triathlon Unveils National Select Team Program
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COLORADO SPRINGS, Colo. (Jan. 7, 2002) - USA Triathlon and National Teams Program Director Libby Burrell have announced the 15 "resident members" of the 2003 National Select Team Program, as well as the new coach who will lead the program. Resident members of the National Select Team will train at the U.S. Olympic Training Center (USOTC) in Colorado Springs and live either there or in housing nearby from January until December.
The National Select Team Program will also serve other USA Triathlon National Team athletes who may visit the USOTC for short-term visits, Burrell said. "We want members of the USA Triathlon National Team to know they are also welcome to work with us at the USOTC," Burrell said.
John Crawley has been selected to oversee the program. He will be directly responsible for the long-term planning and administration of each athlete's training and competition plan, the daily supervision of all triathlon training sessions, the coaching responsibilities at selected national and international competitions, and the active promotion of the opportunities available within the National Select Team Program for the entire USA Triathlon National Team.
Crawley comes to USA Triathlon from the U.S. Olympic Committee, where he served as a sport biomechanist with the Coaching and Sports Sciences Division since 1999. In his role with the USOC, he was charged with providing sport biomechanics and other integrated high-performance sport science services to the 45 National Governing Bodies of Olympic sport in the United States. Crawley was also part of the High Performance Team at the 2002 Olympic Winter Games in Salt Lake City, Utah
Crawley completed his undergraduate studies in Aviation and Aeronautical Engineering at The Ohio State University and was also a varsity soccer player. His graduate studies took him to Arizona State University, where he received his training in Exercise Science with a biomechanics specialization. John is certified by USA Triathlon as a Level II Coach as well as by the National Strength and Conditioning Association as a Certified Strength and Conditioning Specialist.
The opportunities available for all National Select Team Program athletes will include, but are not limited to:
* Individualized, short- and long-term training and competition planning * Direct or supplementary coaching services for daily training periods * Housing and meals * Support from the USA Triathlon Performance Enhancement Team, which will include integrated sport science and medicine services, including physiology, biomechanics, psychology, nutrition, and athletic training * Full use of OTC training facilities
The 2003 resident members of the National Select Team Program are:
Courtney Bennigson (23; Boston, Mass.): A member of the 2002 resident team, Bennigson finished second at 2002 international points races in Amakusa, Japan, and Rincon, Puerto Rico in her first year as an elite. She finished first at the Junior Elite National Championships and qualified for the under-23 race at the Triathlon World Championships, but did not compete due to illness. She is a graduate of Williams College in Williamstown, Mass.
Brian Fleischmann (24; Jacksonville, Fla.): As a member of the 2002 resident team, Fleischmann achieved the ranking of 65th in the world and fourth in the United States thanks to top-20 finishes at ITU races in Cornerbrook, Newfoundland, and Boston, Mass. Fleischmann also placed sixth at the U.S. Pro National Championships and qualified for the World Triathlon Championships, where he placed 57th. Fleischmann is a graduate of Florida State University.
Mark Fretta (25; Portland, Ore.): This 2002 resident team member placed 21st at the World Triathlon Championships after an impressive season that included a second-place finish at the Amakusa International Triathlon and a fifth at the Puerto Rico International Triathlon. He is ranked 70th in the world, sixth in the United States. He is a graduate of the College of the Holy Cross in Worcester, Mass.
Susie Gallucci (26; Hudson, Ohio): Gallucci joined the resident team in 2002 as Susie Stark before she was married in the spring of 2002. She is a captain in the U.S. Marine Corp. and will live off campus this year. In 2002, she placed third at the ITU points race in Ixtapa, Mexico and sixth at the points race in Guatemala. She is a graduate of the University of South Carolina.
Dominic Gillen (25; New Preston, Conn.): Gillen was very new to triathlon when he joined the resident team in 2002. He has had several impressive finishes in the past year including eighth overall (first U.S. finisher) at the Echternach International Triathlon in Luxembourg and 10th at the U.S. Pro National Championships in New York. Gillen will live off campus. He is a graduate of the University of Connecticut.
Kelly Handel (25; Zionsville, Ind.): Another returning member of the 2002 resident team, Handel won the 2002 Pan Am Championships in Rio de Janeiro, Brazil, and took third at the ITU points race in Boston, Mass. Handel also qualified for the 2002 ITU World Triathlon Championships, where she placed 43rd. She is a graduate of the University of Illinois (Urbana-Champaign).
Hunter Kemper (26; Longwood, Fla.): Kemper has trained in Colorado Springs since 2000, when he was a member of the U.S. Olympic team. After the 2002 season, Kemper is still the No. 1 male triathlete in the United States and is ranked No. 16 in the world, the highest year-end ranking of his career. Highlights of 2002 included his second-place finish at the ITU World Cup race in Cornerbrook, Newfoundland, and a victory at the Victoria International Triathlon in British Columbia. He will live off campus. He is a graduate of Wake Forest University.
Matt Kowalski (23; Northville, Mich.): Kowalski is new to the national select team, having taken up the sport of triathlon in 1999, following an athletic career in high school swimming and water polo at the University of Michigan. Kowalski won the overall title at the 2002 U.S. under-23 triathlon national championships. He also finished 18th at the ITU points race in Boston, Mass.
Jenny Marine (27; Naperville, Ill.): Marine was a member of the 2002 resident team and had an impressive season that was cut short by illness. She won the St. Kitts international triathlon and was the first U.S. women's finisher (fourth overall) at the Victoria points race. She qualified for the ITU Triathlon World Championship, but could not compete due to illness. She is a graduate of the University of Illinois (Urbana-Champaign).
Andy Potts (25; Princeton, N.J.): Another new member of the national select team, Potts was a member of the University of Michigan swim team from 1995-99 and was captain in 1998-99. He was a two-time all American and placed fourth at the 1996 Olympic swimming trials. He also ran a 10k in 32 minutes, 18 seconds in the "Run from the Sun" race in Medford, Ore.
Amanda Stevens (25; Enid, Okla.): Stevens is taking a year off from medical school at the University of Oklahoma to join the select team. Stevens won her age group at the 2002 ITU Triathlon World Championships in Cancun, Mexico, and finished second overall among the women. She graduated magna cum laude from Texas Christian University with a double major in biology and chemistry.
Joe Umphenour (33; Bellevue, Wash.): Umphenour was a member of the 2002 resident team and finished the season ranked 28th in the world and second in the United States. Among his season highlights were a second-place finish at the Guatemala International Triathlon and a fourth-place finish at the U.S. pro national championship. He placed 18th at the world triathlon championships. He is a graduate of the University of Wisconsin.
Marcel Vifian (33; Santa Rosa, Calif.): Vifian came to the U.S. Olympic Training Center in 2002 as a "training specialist." He joins the select team this year coming off a five-victory season that included wins in two ITU points races. Vifian was the 2000 U.S. pro national champion and also competed at the 2000 Olympic trials.
Seth Wealing (23; Remington, Ind.): Wealing took the U.S. pro ranks by storm in 2002 when he won the U.S. Pro National Championships in New York. He also finished fourth at the ITU points race in Victoria, B.C., and 19th at the ITU World Cup race in Edmonton, Canada. Wealing is working on his Masters degree in architecture at Ball State University. It will be his first year on the select team.
Kelsey Withrow (20; Woodinville, Wash.): The youngest member of the select team, Withrow is training at the Olympic Training Center while attending the University of Colorado at Colorado Springs on scholarship. Withrow finished in the top 10 overall at the USA Triathlon Age Group National Championships in Coeur d'Alene, Idaho. However a broken hip kept her out of many events over the summer.
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by KROL on January 8, 2003
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what ever happened to that super-duper training center that they were building down by Citrus Tower in Clermont, FL?
a lost leader with all those one-day entry fees? last I ever saw or heard of that contraption, I was at mile 3 of the Great Floridian IM marathon.....
also, Hunter is still only 26? seems like he has been around forever!
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Anonymous post on January 8, 2003
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Super-duper NTC, eh? Check it out now, funk soul brother: http://www.southlakehospital.com/ntc.html.
Right about now, funk soul brother. Even the village idiot is welcome.
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by GREG on January 8, 2003
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They are actually using it more this year than before. USAT is putting on a bike and swim clinic. They are also holding a RD conference. Eric is putting on a duathlon camp there at the end of Feb. They are also having 3 winter indoor tris(pool swim, stationary bike and treadmill). I am going to try to see if they would put on some outdoor duathlons at the end of this year or beginning of 2004. Would be great tuneup races for the 2004 season.
Greg
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by GREG on January 8, 2003
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They should have the team train in the winter in Clermont,florida and the summer in Colorado springs. Would make those bike rides a little warmer :))
Greg
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Anonymous post on January 8, 2003
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The training center in Colorado Springs offers so much more to the athletes then the training center in Clermont FL does. There are no meals or housing in Clermont yet which would pose a problem to the athletes for long term stay. The National Select Team will be utilizing the Clermont Training facility in between the Clermont International race and St. Anthony's World Cup.
Also, Look out for Andy Potts to make a big impact on the world of triathlon this year. He is smokin in the water with a fourth place at Olympic Trails and he is light on his feet as well. Young stud from Oregon, Mark Fretta, he looks strong as well. Good luck to all of you ITU super fast hammers. I am an IromMan tri geek myself.
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Anonymous post on January 9, 2003
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Potts and all these guys will get beat down on the international level. USAT has GOT to get off this swimmer kick and start trying to develop some runners. Oh, but that may take some coaching knowledge. It's much easier to just get a bunch of swimmers who can come out with the lead group then fade into nothingness, remember Sydney?
The run is what wins the Olympic format, if you don't have a run you aint got #$%&!! (p.s. 32 in a strait 10k doesn't cut it, I'm talking 29) Again, remember Sydney?
Lastly, what is a guy like Kemper doing on there. This program was designed to DEVELOP talent. If your bringing in 5 figures your ass is developed move on and quit leaching off the program. There are plenty of people out there who can't break into ITU racing because you simply can't afford it, the travel aid alone from this program is a season saver.
However, I must give it up to whomever is responsible for finally getting some ITU races in the USA. Now, all we have to do is make the bike course more technical so one can acually make some tactical moves instead of just going though the motions for 40k.
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by xxx on January 9, 2003
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Good luck trying to run and bike down the lead pack in a draft legal race if you don't come out of the water with them. The best combo is the runner-swimmer which Potts seems to be.
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by thierry on January 9, 2003
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the clermont site maine sponsor backed out of the deal,
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Anonymous post on January 9, 2003
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I believe that USAT has the right idea with developing fundamentally swimmers into runners. It's a lot harder to train a runner to swim. Most of the men on the team are strong runners. Fretta, Kemper, Umphenour, and Wealing are great runners. They also come from swimming backgrounds.
It seems that the USOTC is the best place for these athletes to train for ITU format racing. Kemper belongs there more than anyone, since he has dominated US short course racing for a long time. And he is only 26, so I would consider his training "developement." It is important to look for new talent, but also important to maintain and improve the talent we have.
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by KROL on January 9, 2003
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I think the point anon makes is that it comes down to the run. And you know something - IT ALWAYS COMES DOWN TO A RUN!!!
The running talent is where it needs to be - yeah, these guys may have a shot at getting out on the run with the leaders IF they can bike. But when is all said and done, if you don't have the wheels on the run, fuhgggettaboutit!!
Why is Kemper still there? he can run.
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by KROL on January 9, 2003
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I think the point anon makes is that it comes down to the run. And you know something - IT ALWAYS COMES DOWN TO A RUN!!!
The running talent is where it needs to be - yeah, these guys may have a shot at getting out on the run with the leaders IF they can bike. But when is all said and done, if you don't have the wheels on the run, fuhgggettaboutit!!
Why is Kemper still there? he can run.
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Anonymous post on January 9, 2003
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OK Tri geeks. You guys sure like to talk to talk. who ever has this kind of time to talk about swimmers who are suposedly not capable of running 29 have way to much time on your hands. First of all, triathlon, weather it is drafting or non drafting, is a strength sport. Plain and simple. You need to have it all. No one sport alone will get you to the highest level. With that being said. The ITU races are won by swimmers who have years of swimming under there belts and do not need to emphisize the swim in training. They spend there time wisly prepairng for the hour long ride and the 31 minute run for your life. Speed alone will get you far but you have to have the balance of all three sports which is the bigest challange to anyones triathlon endevours in my opinion. Think about it tri geeks, what is your weekness. You guys may think you are Lance Armstrong but you are not. Not even close.
The Olympic training center National Select Team offers the athletes an oppurtunity to escape the stresses of life and to focus on being the best they can be in such a demanding sport such as triathlon.
If you are going to put down the National Select Team and say that no one can run fast enough or no one has the strength to finish off the race then you should let us know who you are. You are a coward to reamain annonomous. I bet you are the strongest individual that has ever walked on this planet. A legand in your own mind.
Think about this, These male athletes whom you say are to slow have all run under 31 minutes for the 10 Kilo and can all swim a 17 minute or faster 1500 meters. Some of these athletes can time trial a 54 for the 40 K. Is this going to win the olympics or world cups you might ask?? Well, with a little work and some luck maybe.
Thank you for your support tri geeks, You really are the backbone of the sport.
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Anonymous post on January 9, 2003
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OK, So I got your attention. However, everyone totally missed the point.
The fact is that we have been "developing" the same people for several years. I think the program is a good idea but it should not be a continuous thing for an athlete, perhaps 2 years, max.
This program affords athletes the opportunity to travel to ITU races since it helps with travel/living costs, etc. So, to continue to pick on Hunter. USAT also offers reimbursment of travel cost for top finishes at ITU races. How do we know that someone like Hunter is not double dipping. Yes, he has been the top US ITU guy for a while but that does not mean that he should be able to take advantage of a program like this that is set up to help out those who cannot afford it themselves. The fact that he is the top guy shows us that he will have sponsor support and be able to pay for the travel himself, or he will have the finishes and be reimbursed by USAT. Either way I don't see how he fits this particular program. Point is, it is not his fault, it is USAT's for continuing to put him on the team. Why are there only about 6-10 guys chasing the World Cup? Because the rest of us just cant afford it.
Now, to the running question. Someone said it is easier to make a swimmer a runner than the reverse. How so? Swimming is a vastly more technical sport. Thus allowing it to be "learned" quicker. Running is; A) a weight bearing sport so a pure swimmer, ie. Potts, will have a hard time developing without injury.
B) is more, shall we say, tough. One must learn how to suffer, especially in the triathlon format.
Now I know that distance swimming is suffering as well but it is a different beast.
My point is where are the stellar runners, being trained to swim? They are in the pool trying to do it by themselves because they don't fit into USAT's warped idea of how to develop an elite triathlete, lets call that the Taoromina effect. Why? Coaching one to swim is difficult, but you can just take a swimmer and through huge run volume at them, and bam, you have a runner. WRONG!! Instead you have Epsteen Bar, ooops.
The fact is that we are developing atheletes who will be OK, but not winners. Ask yourself where, Whitfield, Mecca, Lessing came from. They were runners first.
Lastly, no one said jack about my cycling comment. This whole discussion would be much more interesting if we had ITU bike courses that had either hills or were more technical. My God has anyone ever seen the ST. Anthony's course. If ITU wants a draft legal format then make the bike a freaking BIKE. Hills and turns are where tactical moves are made in a criterium style bike race. Without that very little can be done. However, even with it most triathletes would be far to daft and unskilled to pull anything off, but I digress.
Oh, and one more thing, I'm a coward eh? No, I just might know too much of the inner workings of USAT. If I were to reveal my true identity I am sure it would seal my fate to never be selected to a World Cup race or National team. Lets face it we are dealing will the Melrose Place of governing bodies, and a Fascist regiem at that.
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by ftofnoone on January 9, 2003
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I know I shouldn't get into this, but I feel I should step in.
Who ever said the Elite Resident team was Developemental? It's a group of high-octane athletes who want to train together to represent their country. Nowhere in the title of the team does it say developmental.
And secondly, to attack Hunter is very lame. He is such a cool guy, humble and generous. USAT backs him because he is the model athlete, and as proven by his highest ITU ranking ever, is still improving on the international circuit.
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Anonymous post on January 9, 2003
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"National Select Team Program
The USA National Select Team Program (formerly known as the resident team) aims to foster emerging talent from the ranks of current and new pro (elite) athletes.
This program is aimed at ITU-format racing (draft legal). Athletes interested in acquiring National Select Team status will be required to relocate to Colorado Springs, Colo., for one year, commencing on Jan. 20. The program continues through until Dec. 15 of each year. The team will stay at the Olympic Training Center in Colorado Springs and will enjoy all the privileges that life on the campus has to offer.
All residents will be required to train under the guidance of the resident team coaching staff."
From the USAT webpage. I believe that "foster emerging talent" is synonomous with talent development.
Again, this is not an attack on Hunter, it is a criticism of USAT. This program should help athletes to reach thier potential, not offer established athletes a "sponsorship" of sorts.
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by KROL on January 9, 2003
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since we have too many anonymous guys hanging around here, I am trying to make sure I am addressing the right person.
the only arm of the sport where the top notch swimmers have turned into the top triathletes is the women. now that brings up a whole different debate we can have as to whether that is due to women's physiology, the make-up of the whole womens division of triathlon, or just plain circumstance.
I think we have yet to really see any men that have come from swimming backgrounds that have been able to dominate as Taormina and Lindquist have on the women's side. Even then, it has been a tug-o-war between those two and the likes of a Michelle Jones and Carol Montgomery, who I would say are stronger runners.
And I don't think any one of us thinks we are Lance Armstrong. Far from it. The "weekness" is not having enough money to do all the races we want to....
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Anonymous post on January 10, 2003
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Hunter Kemper double dipping on USAT funding?? This message board has gotten way out of hand. First of all, Hunter is the US mens success story for the ITU format of racing. With that being said, most of the athletes that are on the US Resident National Team will make a 4 figure salery this year including travel reimbursments. Love for the sport I must say.
You also mentioned that St Anthony's is a joke of a bike course with not technical turns, hills, etc. Let me tell you this. Your legs would be screaming after 28 180 degree turn arounds. Anonymous, You would go crying into transition two like a fat Ironman tri geek. No doubt about it.
Also, There are some great riders in the ITU. Yes they can lay there bikes down trough the corners on a rainy day and take the victory into T2. Will the ITU ever have a Peris-Roubaix bike course. Maybe not but the athletes that compete at teh world cup level have the skill to tear through a tough technical course. Cornerbrook, etc.
Runners becoming swimmers??? Possible, Yes, if the will is there but much more difficult then swimmers becoming runners. Strong colligate leavel Distance swimmers can go out to a local 5 K and run 16:30 without having ever trained running in there lives. Now that is not a class runner by any means but the potential which makes it clear to me that swimmers have the advantage when comming into the sport of triathlon.
Anonymous, The ITU is not golf or tennis. You make it sound like the athletes at the training center on the resident national team have a tremendous net worth because they are double dipping into USAT funding. Let me ask you a question?? How many ITU International races could you travel to with one thousand dollars?? Maybe one or two if you sleep in transition area.
Annonymous, your comments have gotten me in an outrace. You are a disgrace to the sport of triathlon. The Duathlon.com message board is about as far as you will make it in life with your nagative attitude. Cheers.
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Anonymous post on January 10, 2003
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Ok, so this is obviously futile. This was an attempt on my part to start a discussion on the flaws with this USAT program and because I just can't resist, the flaws with the ITU format bike courses.
However, it would seem that people cannot get by there pesonal prejudices.
Why address Hunter specificaly? Because he is "the" US men's ITU success story, the only major one. Shouldn't there be more stories like his? Why isn't there? Could it be the program itself?
Money is a huge consideration, and if Hunter is not doing better than 4 figures a year, and most of that coming from his federation he needs to review his sponsorship situation. But enough about Hunter. Again, USAT is the problem. This program is the problem.
As to the swimmer/runner question....it all comes down to this; If you want to get your picture on TV and tell your freinds you were in the race at one point be a swimmer. If you want to be in the race at the end, when it matters, be a runner that can learn to be or already is a decent swimmer. At one point someone said everyone on the USAT program can swim under 17 minutes? First of all Bull#$@t!!. Secondly, why? All you need is to be in the pack, what does a 15 something 1500 get you when you have a run that is 5 minutes off the lead split?
As to the bike course question. A 180 corner followed by a pancake flat 5k strait is not a technical course and does not lend itself to tactical maneuvers. If the race location is flat you need a tight course with left and right corners most of which are at least 90 degree and with staits no longer than one mile in length (by the way cornerbrook does not fit that requirement). Or, if you have hills present, send it up the steepest available, and keep the corners in there. The bike courses must be difficult, even a bit dangerous. These races are pro only, they sould be for the best of the best. If you don't have the skills to handle this kind of course....get them, your a pro for Christ sake. And ditch the damn aerobars, we use UCI rules in regard to the bike but not in regards to our bars? Why?
Lastly, when I get bashed on here why am I always a "fat ironman tri geek" or a Lance Armstrong wannabe? Why the stab at the Ironfolk? The beauty of our sport is the deversity, Ironman, Duathlon, ITU format, Non-Drafting,etc. Only problem is everything but ITU format seems to be going great so lets fix the problems.
All I am saying is that we need improvments, if you disagree, you are simply wrong. Don't get so defensive, try to open your mind. These are problems that nearly every pro I have ever spoken to agrees are present.
Oh, and I will never harp on spelling errors as I am sure I make plenty of my own. But damn dude, Paris with and e. How the hell do you pull that one off? I mean hell you spelled Roubaix right but not Paris, whats up, I mean the "e" and "a" are not even close to each other ;)
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by Kuendig on January 10, 2003
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The application process for the team rewarded both swimmers and runners. There was A B and C qualifying times for both. Meaning you had to have an A in one and a C in another or two B's. The 1500m swim A time was 17:30, B time 18:15, C time 19:00. The 10k run A time was 31:00, B was 33:00, C was 35:00. So clearly a good runner could make this team.
I know that I applied and did not make the team and I will give you a hint at my times: 16:00 in the 1500m and I ran the fastest amateur split at the Boulder Peak triathlon. So, just to let you know, this team is HARD to make. Obviously they took runners (Seth Wealing) and swimmers (Andy Potts) and combo athletes (Matt Kowalski).
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by madmarty on January 10, 2003
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anonymous wrote:
"Oh, and I will never harp on spelling errors as I am sure I make plenty of my own. But damn dude, Paris with and e."
That's 'Paris with AN e!' Damn dude, learn to differentiate 'specifically' between the two.
As to the meat of the discussion here - it seems to me that there should be two separate teams residing at the center. A national team and a national developmental team.
The national team should be made up of the best racers who want to be on the team of whatever age and years of experience. They would get travel stipend and race reimbursements for performance achievements.
The national development team would be made up of under 25s with a max of 2-3 years on the development team and then either eligibility for team above or off to do there own thing. Would get same bennies as above but under a separate budget. Different from the existing collegiate summer team.
The problem you run into seems to be one of funding. Want to sponsor two distinct teams? You need more money from somewhere. As another person has already pointed out, the majority of US ITU racers are not raking in the dough. Sponsorship in recent years has dried up and your big time names have trouble getting endorsements. So USAT needs to fund this. Do they have the budget/resources for it? I don't know but it seems unlikely. Could they fund it? Probably, either through a) increased natl dues (again), b) sponsorship agreements (from where though?), c) private donations, d) fundraising activities.
At the collegiate and junior level you would also need a well-informed coaching infrastructure who funnel talented juniors into the program, are involved at the collegiate level, etc. There's virtually no external motivation for a top US collegiate athlete to do anything except 1 sport during there NCAA career, so you need to track them before, during, and afterwards.
And hell, a huge percentage of these quality athletes, when you tell them the amount of money they might make killing themselves 25-30 hours a week training, will tell you to stuff it and go be a desk jockey and weekend warrior somewhere and make 10x the amount of the pro athletes. There's the real problem.
My two cents!
Marty Gaal
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Anonymous post on January 10, 2003
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I think Mad Marty hit it on the head.
I am the guy with the spelling problem and I just want to say this. I was in a hurry to say what I wanted to say and did not re-read my posting until now.
To anonymous. Along with the 28 turnarounds at the St. Anthony's world cup comes 18 right hand turns and 18 90 degree left hand turns. Both of theses turns are about 200 meters after one of the turn arounds. If you can only imagine being out of the saddle every thirty seconds powering through a turn or out of a turnaround you might have a little more respect for the bike courses. I do agree with you on the aerobar situation but that is about the only thing I agree with you on.
You seem to think you are a mavric and are above all of the ITU World Cup Circuit races and the USA Triathlon Resident National Team. That is why I feel the need to put you back in your average place of being a negative loud mouth.
Sponsors are quick to give you a discount on there products but in order to get a check from them you have to be winning the big races. In the sponsors eyes, there is only one big race and that is the Hawaii Ironman.
I feel as if your attitude is that of the typical age grouper which is this... Drafting!!!??? that is so easy?? what a joke??? That is not true one bit. I have heard it a million times by cocky triathletes who think they are the top dog on the bike.
Also, The ITU is a smashing sport where only the stong will make a successful career out of it. Anonymous, think about this. Tenth place at a World Cup pays $450 big ones. What if you spent your USAT annual budget of $1000 to go to the race and you came up with a tenth place. Love for the sport I have to say. Money, none of the racers that compete in the ITU care about the money. They will have more heart and sole then you will ever have including the US athletes that you feel do not make the cut.
I am not going to give this one a spell check because I do not really even like to write in these message boards but I felt you you were way out of line. Cheers
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by ftofnoone on January 11, 2003
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I'm still confused as to why you think the swim in an ITU race is so simple anonymous?? Have you ever swum with these guys, have you ever been in an ITU race. The swim is blazing. And to be competitive in an ITU race you have to come out of the water with the leaders, because about 8 times out of 10, that lead pack is not going to be caught.
Let's throw some times out. I've gone 5:00 in the 500yd. I've swam with some of the guys at the OTC, and they kicked the crap out of me. There are guys just as good as Keundig (swimming 16 in a 1500m). Do you understand how fast that is? That means you are going to be coming out of the water, probably 2 minutes down on these guys. That is a monsterous amount of time to make up on the bike.
So yes it is important to recruite swimmers. And saying that runners can just as easily become swimmers is absolute crap. Anyone who is any good at swimming has just about been swimming since they were a fetus. YOu don't see guys get into triathlon without a swimming background, and just start leading races out of the water (even 40+ amateurs). So that's why swimmers are recruited.
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by Kuendig on January 12, 2003
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I actually believe there are more runners on this team than swimmers. Hunter, Seth, Mark, and Dom all ran in college, Brian swam his freshman year then did at least three years of CC. And Andy and Matt aren't exactly slouches in the run.
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Brian Fleischmann was second in the 500 Yard freestyle in 4:36 his senior year of high school. On a whim he decided to do a half marathon and ran 1:18. If you dont know it that is 6:00 pace without any run training. We all know how fast he is now! I would love to see a runner without training complete a 500 swim in under 10 min. Swimmers with proper training can become great runners. This is a solid team and a great program. I am sorry that you did not make the team this year. Why dont we give these guys some support.
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by fitman on January 14, 2003
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You can not win the race on the swim but you can definitely lose it there.
Swimmers who that develop into runners is the key. Swimming prepares you not only physically but more importantly mentally. What is more boring then staring at a black line for 2-4 hrs. If you can endure that for 10 years (As Brian F. did) then running and biking is easy from the metal aspect.
Mad Marty Don’t you agree?
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by madmarty on January 14, 2003
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Fitman,
I'd agree that it's harder for a pure runner to learn to swim than it is for a pure swimmer to learn to run at the ITU level. Of course there will always be exceptions to this. That being said, I agree that the athletes with the greatest potential to succeed in ITU racing (and triathlon in general) are those who have done some combination of both running and swimming during their developmental years.
Either they race as sprintkids, juniors, etc., or do summer league age-group swimming, then HS running, or run and swim in HS, or swim in HS then run in college. These combinations are what develop podium finishers. Taking a great 10K NCAA runner who never swam and teaching him to swim a 17:30 1.5K would be quite a challenge (not that it can't be done...just that it would be tough). I think it would be easier to take a 15:30 1500 swimmer and teach him to run a 32:00. The problem there is that 32: doesn't win the world cup ITU races anymore (except in heat, hills, yaknowwhatimean)!
Sure, if you had the resources to take every swimmer who went a 4:35 500yd - 4:10 400m or sub 16: 1650yd or 1500m, and give them run training for a year, you'd find a few who could pull off some sub 32 high performance 10ks. Same for taking your sub 16 5k or sub 32 10k runners and teaching them to swim. The problem is that 30% of the athletes are burned out from their collegiate careers, 40% are just plain lazy, and the other 50% never heard of a 'triathalon!' All they want to do is get a job and watch football. The audacity!
MG
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