Ironman Hawaii - Men's Marathon Times
Eric Schwartz (duathlon)
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October 22, 2003
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While the women at Ironman Hawaii are running as fast as ever, the men's marathon record was set in 1989, and 1999 was the last time anyone was within two minutes of Mark Allen's record (2:40:04). Below is a look at the fastest marathons of 2003, the top 20 best of the last five years, and the top 10 fastest of all time.
Top 5 Fastest Runs of 2003
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Top 15 Fastest Runs of Last 5 Years 1999-2003
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Top 10 All Time Fastest Runs
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Ironman Hawaii - Men's Marathon Times
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by Ciaccio on October 22, 2003
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Anyone have a theory on why the men's times can't get any faster. I know these guys are great athletes, I just don't get it.
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RE: Ironman Hawaii - Men's Marathon Times
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Anonymous post on October 22, 2003
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haven't you heard?
distance running in the US stinks! an all time low...regressed from the plethora for sub 2:12 marathon times 20 years ago.
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by trex on October 22, 2003
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http://www.runnersworld.com/home/0,1300,1-0-0-5710,00.html
interview with Deboom prior to IMH - could be inferred that trying to run a 2 40 to run a 2 40 is a big risk ($100,000 on the line) when a 2 47 puts Reid first across the line and 5 minutes to the good of anyone else. Those 2 40 times might have been approached by both Reid and Deboom had Deboom not had kidney stone problems.
Just my take on the slower times, I'm sure there are a number of reasons why.
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by blaireau on October 22, 2003
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Looking up the total time of the IM with for these best marathon split and also the time of the second person to cross the line could maybe explain why some splits are faster.
Also being fourth forces you to go all out to hope to catch up. Therefore if you do not die trying, makes you have a better split.
In 1989 Allen and Scott where head to head almost all the race. This will assure you of fast run split. Peter had 6 minute on his closes containder. Like the previous post said if Deboom would of ran with Peter, probably Peter would of ran faster to win the race.
My two cent. Hope it is worth more than 2 cents
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by francoisM on October 22, 2003
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stricter drafting rules...
Funny nearly noone was bugged by Allen saying in 1995
at the award ceremony "thanks guys for the work in the peloton"...you would feel bad for poor Thomas H. working his butt off at the front...
although with the new stagger rule...it is likely going to go back to the low 2.40s...
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Anonymous post on October 22, 2003
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francois,
are you Mrs. Thomas H? you seem to be his biggest spokesperson?
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by francoisM on October 22, 2003
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nope...
Thomas english is quite basic :-)
my best training buddy is Olaf Sabatschus (who knows Thomas a bit).
I like the way Hellriegel races. Goes his own pace, use his strength, tries to break away even if it's impossible because of stupid draft rules (see new stagger rule...)...
not the smartest way, but definitely the most honest.
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by kemptonslim on October 22, 2003
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Also remember that Mark Allen always had to play catch-up. He would come out of T2 10-12 minutes down sometimes to guys like Dave Scott and Greg Welch and have to mount a 2:40 time to go for the win. Plus he was just a really good runner.
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by trifaster on October 23, 2003
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The run course has changed twice and it is actually easier now than in the past years when they ran 2:40 -2:42. THe main factor being nobody is pushed to run any faster. THe women are pushing each other to run fast or they have been playing catch up to Natascha! Also, take a look at Reids and Debooms first split through about 5 miles ... they were running about 5:40 pace ... FLYING! Granted a fast section but Reid was 15-30sec per mile faster than anyone.
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by ancharoty on October 23, 2003
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The way the bike segment unfolded, it seemed they would have run sub 2:40. I stood at Kawaihai. From the distance I saw a nice peleton of riders returning from Hawi. I could not believe my eyes as it looked like a stage of the Tour de France approaching. I cleared my stop watch and got someone to do some counting of riders. The end result? 17 riders passed by me in 9.27 seconds. Baffleing. If Eric Schwartz had been in that group, he would have run 2:35.
Amen
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by duathlon on October 23, 2003
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I think I must have taken a wrong turn at the first buoy, because I lost the leaders on the swim shortly after the gun went off, and after that I had no chance of making the lead group on the bike.
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by SteveO on October 23, 2003
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Every year that goes by Allen and Scott loom larger...hell, even Hellriegel went 8:06 for 2nd one year...Welch, Hellreigel,and even Christian Bustos look better as time goes by...where are the sub 8:10 times at IMH?....also remember that at other IM's there are some rumors of short runs....
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by francoisM on October 23, 2003
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same here. I talked with Olaf Sabatschus after the race...most germans were not too happy with the new
drafting rule...
otherwise how to explain 20 guys altogether in T2...
they all improved a lot before Kona?
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by whippett on October 24, 2003
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I followed this discussion and was wondering if the bike splits weren't getting faster at the expense of run splits? Also if this new "stagger" rule won't kill the very thing that made athletes choose the IM distance over the draft legal short stuff?
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by realdeal on October 28, 2003
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The explanation is very simple. True, the older guys were excellent runners and times have not come down. First, let's compare record times to "marathon only" times. In marathons, the world record has been lowered by only 4 minutes since 1978. This covers the time of American and european dominance to the superstars of the kenyans, moroccans and ethiopians.
To follow in triathlon; decreasing the marathon time would be hard enough, but there are other factors. The qualifying and economic aspect of Ironman and Ironman Hawaii make it near impossible. Athletes find themselves having to race more often and at longer distances to qualify and make a living.
A couple of years ago, a cycling phenom named Steve Larsen was going to be waived into Hawaii because of his fame and early success in tri. Many pros protested this because they wanted him to have a full marathon in his legs before competing in Hawaii. Bill Rogers, america's premier long distance runner of the late 70's and early 80's, would only compete in 3 marathons a year with the hope of completing 2.
It is my belief today's athletes are every bit as talented, if not more. The biggest problem going into Hawaii is their legs are simply tired.
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